::rolls eyes:: OK, Mystik, that's quite enough. It REALLY doesn't matter than much. You are saying that this is going to draw attention, but you are the only one who noticed anything without it being pointed out. Besides, Astravaii is right: Some girls are less than average, and perhaps it just happens that Enna or Rheya is one of them.

I second Aetrus' motion to end this argument. It wasn't worth this much effort in the first place.

ANYWAY... Astravaii, please don't think we don't appreciate the image. I'd put in some compliment here but I think I'd just be repeating my previous posts. ;)

EDIT: Somehow I need to teach people not to edit their posts in reply to later posts. It's really confusing.

LOL! That's gotta be the funniest thing I've read in a while. You know...in a Fight Club sort of funny. heh.

I guess when everything is all said and done (and I do mean DONE) If it's all for nothing and no means to an end but the present then why not have a little fun via said cleavage? :D

Just kidding of course. Especially since I'm not a nihilist!

You know I really like where you are going with this concept. It just resonates with me. Especially the hair color and the glasses. She seems like the type who be more likely to wear goth type clothing if she were here today. It fits with the personality type I think. That's important.

The rantings of a misguided majority, our society, are best ignored. Forge your own way. I am part of a religion whose main line institution has lost the original message. (I'm a Christian) I have rejected them and am attempting to focus on what my religion actually says and not what those with influence want it to say. You might be surprised at how different the two views are. It's not easy to reject something that is so close to the core of things. It leaves a hole. I mean what do I do now that I've rejected the majority of those who claim my religion? I have to define where I stand and live off of that now while somehow finding the truth in my decision. In other words how to be a christian without the institution that is the Church? Its the same when we reject society. How do we live in it when we have rejected it? We must define everything then, and everything must be defined rather than letting a set of socially accepted norms be our guide. The real trick is to find which ones of those norms are in fact healthy and/or true. That's where I am at. Some of the things the religious mainliners say do in fact jive with the 'good book'. Its just rooting out the weeds in my garden that's hard.

You get the idea. I just had a long discusion about this with a friend so I'm a little riled. that's where the analogy comes from. Hope it fits. And I am not trying to tell ANYONE how to live or who to live by. The whole point is make whatever you live by in fact yours and not just live by what your parents or your pals do. Find yourself and you will find your way. (In my case I will find myself in the Deep Electric...but that is a concept that delves into the inner workings of music and its affect on the soul.)

Her hair looks a little purple. Otherwise I like it. I liked the long thing hanging down the middle, just not sure what you should do with the skirt/pants/whatever underneath.

I'm not sure what you see in Rheya, I don't see a desire to dress up in black eye shadow and black nailpolish and black, skimpy clothing. I see a modest smarty...but that's me. Finish the pic! =)

And I respect you for trying to change society's view of things. I doubt you'll be successful, but that's purely because of how sick people are and how stubborn they can be. Plus hormones don't give out that easy (if at all). And you won't be able to change the real actual average size of breasts.

I must say that if you plan on drawing concepts for any other girls in the game (ie Miriel, an NPC, etc) then I suggest giving them average size, because it is not normal to have the majority of women in a world with smaller breasts. That totally ignores the "average". I think two main characters are quite plenty (if not one too many)...oh gall, why am I still talking about this? I gotta go pray...lol

Well since i have a good reputation for posting off topic comments I thought i could enhance my fame by asking the following question.
When is "off middle grey" coming out? I've been quietly waiting patiently for over a week!!:) And how did you come up with that name? I really like it, I've been trying to think of a name for my own game I'm planning to create but cant think of one.yet. I already have the basic plot planned out which i think is really good.

btw I think that rheya should be somewhat concerned about what she wears. she is a female after all and its a natural thing. so she should have some style and some fashion sense. I mean not caring about what she wears as long as its warm and not caring about appearances = major bum

Also I think her hair looks kinda messy, it looks like she never brushes it :) (not like my opinion matters anyway)

And actually i find this breast debate quite amusing. I cant see why either of you are making such a big deal about her bust size.(yeah, and so like what about this hair thing?[also remember brooke])

i thought i'd tell you i updated the image at that link. i'm going to just do that from now on, since i don't see much point to creating more new files.
i'll post the image in submissions when it's finished.

here's the link so you don't have to scroll

if i choose to be different, i challenge the status quo merely by existing. that's all i need.
...and my conception of average is something you're gonna have to deal with. sorry. ^^;

hah. i can tell you from personal experience that being female doesn't mean you care how you look. i'm in a family of 'em that doesn't. (my brother worries about his appearance more than anyone... spends more time in the bathroom than is healthy. ^^)

i can darken up the clothes. i'm not actually sure WHAT i'm doing with this to tell the truth. work clothes? all right, i guess. if that's what you're thinking. ^^;
just my opinion, though... i didn't think Akio's third image looked much like a uniform.

that stuff about hip level is... weird. i don't know where i'm going either. i'll try something else. again. ^^ most of this is done with the intent of breaking with my usual traditions. sorry if my personal experimentation has to interfere with FoI. heh.

off middle gray (named for the background color i would commonly draw against) has been 'coming soon' for nearly 2 years. heh. it's just a matter of me getting off my lazy ass to finish adding all the content. the layout's done. i can't tell you when it'll be finished. maybe tomorrow, maybe never. sorry. that's just the way i am. ^^;

EDIT: oh yeah... there was something mentioned about shades. i tried them on this image, but they didn't look right. if these are her work clothes and i'll need to re-draw her in an alternate outfit anyway, what they look like here won't matter. is that something i should keep in mind? or should i forget it entirely?

EDIT2: ah! i forgot the comment about the hair looking purple. let me tell you... i don't quite have this CG color thing down. ^^; it doesn't look purple at all in Photoshop and only looks slightly purple on my monitor in IE6. i didn't really think it was a problem. it's black, and the color is just a tint. i may have made the black too light, though. everything looks lighter in Photoshop, too.

Her hair doesn't look all that purple to me. I mean if I imagine it does then I can visualize a deep purple, but it looks black to me for all intents and purposes. I have my colour depth at 32 bit. I am anal about that. :p

I know what you mean about stuff not appearing the same outside of your main editor program. For me its with my music. The mix always sounds better in ACID Pro 4 then it does it winamp! (No, I don't use the EQ. It's always flat)My theory is that the code for playback is just tighter in ACID Pro 4 then in winamp.